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and the problem of Evil

by Gaedhal

That nasty article that I linked to yesterday—which, unfortunately, is behind a paywall—confirms something that Sam Harris used to say:

‘Religion allows people to believe, in the billions, that which, if believed alone, would render one a lunatic.’

Forsooth, yea, and verily! Let us institute an International festival in honour of a mythical peasant preacher’s Jewishness. An insane idea. However, because it is in accord with the Zeitgeist of the world’s biggest religion, it is an idea that is taken seriously.

Let us call foreskin amputation—and especially the pain caused thereby—a “beautiful” thing. This is what the sicko, Margaret Hebblethwaite wrote yesterday.

There is a video of Christopher Hitchens and he was smoking a cigarette, and saying that Catholic lunatics such as John Paul 2, mother theresa—and I have no doubt that he would include Frankenpope and Hebblethwaite in this list were he still alive—are the ‘real enemy’.

And it brings us back to what John Loftus writes in Horrendous Suffering. Ironically, Christianity—it ideally should be called: ‘Judeochristianity’ as Christianity is merely a denomination of Judaism—has added, greatly to horrendous suffering.

Here we have Hebblethwaite, the Catholic, adding to the horrendous suffering of this world by advocating for this vampiric rite of child-abuse.

Ironically, the history of religion, and the horrendous harm caused by religion, is in and of itself an argument against the existence of god.

The logical problem of evil says that an Omni god would never have to resort to any sort of evil so as to accomplish his will. If God needs to resort to the allowance of evil, then he is either not all good, or not all powerful. Evil exists. QED. Quod erat demonstrandum: God does not exist. The logical problem of evil is a deductive argument for the non-existence of god. If the premises are true: an omni God would not need evil to accomplish his goals; evil exists; then the conclusion necessarily follows: God does not exist.

Despite Apologists showboating and saying that the logical problem of evil is dead, I think that it is sound. Even if an omni god did need to allow evil to accomplish his creative purposes, then he could always choose not to create. This, according to Doug is the true problem of evil. If God is a perfect and complete world unto himself, then why create a world at all, that He would know, with certainty, would bring about evil. In my view, such a god, faced with either creating a world with evil in it, or choosing not to create a world at all, would simply choose not to create.

However, the evidential problem of evil is an inductive argument. We collect data relating to horrendous suffering, of which there is a superabundance on this Hell-planet, and then we ask ourselves the question, which hypothesis best explains the data: the God hypothesis or the non-god hypothesis. And, in my view, to sincerely and honestly grapple with the problem of horrendous suffering as laid out in Horrendous Suffering by John Loftus is to arrive at the non-God hypothesis as the best explanation for the presence of so much horrendous suffering in our world.

‘James Sterba resurrected the logical problem of evil. It’s impossible that a theistic god exists. Look him up.’ —John Loftus

Yeah, apologists like to pretend that the logical problem of evil is no longer taken seriously in academic philosophy. This is just simply another lie of the apologetics’ profession.

In William Lane Craig’s debate with Christopher Hitchens, he reverses the burden of proof on the logical problem of evil: it was up to Christopher to prove that a god, whom he does not believe in, does not have morally sufficient reasons to permit evil. This is why I take the view of Venaloid, Carrier and Prophet of Zod in saying that William Lane Craig is a conman. A PhD philosopher should be able to wrap his brain around the logical problem of evil. In my view, the hypothesis that Craig is a conman is much more likely than the hypothesis that Craig is incompetent.

But even if a classically theistic god had morally sufficient reasons to allow evil, that same god, by virtue of his omnipotence, could achieve those same ends without allowing evil. The classically theistic god’s omnibenevolence would here kick in: I have two approaches available to me to achieve some end or goal. One approach allows for evil—which I supposedly hate—and another approach does not allow for evil. Well, my omnibenevolence kicks in and necessitates that I choose the approach that does not allow for the existence of evil to achieve my ends. However, evil exists. Thus, a classically theistic god does not exit. If gods there be, then that god is lacking in some omni property. That god is probably less than omniscient, or omnipotent, or omnibenevolent. QED. A deductive proof of the non-existence of a classically theistic god.

However, lest we drift into some sort of atheistic Thomism, or scholasticism, where we simply sit on our philosophical armchairs and a-priori reason all day, we also have the inductive argument against the existence of god from our gathering data as regards instances of horrendous suffering, in our world.

I am sure that William Lane Craig understands all of this very well… Indeed, better than I do. I only have a high-school/secondary-school education. Craig has two PhDs. However, Craig is a dishonest conman.

And thunderf00t—before Elon broke his brain—points this out: Craig isn’t really an academic philosopher, at all. He got two PhDs so as to employ them as props. In academic philosophy, he is a nobody.

Craig, in his own way, is as crazy and as dishonest as Ken Ham. Ken Ham similarly hires PhDs so as to deny evident reality.

Similarly with Wes Huff. Davis points out in that reality rules video, I linked in a previous email, that even though Huff is essentially a thesis and a viva voce away from a PhD, nevertheless, he spends all of his extracurricular time on apologetics, and not, you know, publishing in academic journals. Huff is the new apologetics superstar. However, it is the same modus operandi as Craig’s and Ham’s. Get a PhD. Use it as a prop so as to lie for Jaysus.

8 replies on ““god””

Interesting read but I disagree on the problem of evil question, although he is correct about the predicates of Abrahamism being insufficient. I think we’ve imbibed too much Judeo-Christianity when it comes to morality and theology and forget the primary religions and philosophy which it sought desperately to destroy (or else coopt). Nearly every ancient primary religion gives a perfectly satisfactory answer to the problem of evil as being privation from God, in the sense of alienation from the Demiurge, and not the One, uncreated Whole of Being. Sadly, today that argument gets reflected in trivial moralizing and questions about the Hebrew demon of the Old Testament.

I have iterated elsewhere that it was a shame that Greg Johnson didn’t reveal the results of his 2024 survey of white nationalists, because I suspect that the vast majority of them are either Christians or secular sympathisers of Christianity (which is precisely why this racialist site, The West’s Darkest Hour, only receives comments from a handful of Xtian-wise commenters!).

‘Privation from God’, is, in my view, Thomistic nonsense. What I like about Schopenhauer is that he makes evil the fundamental reality of our world, and good is defined as negations of evil. You should read Studies in Pessimism.

Disorder happens on its own. Order takes effort to impose and maintain, and is thus a negation/privation of disorder.

Similarly with hunger/satiety; filth/cleanliness; sickness/health, etc.

Order, satiety, health and cleanliness never happen on their own, but must be imposed and maintained via strenuous effort. However, disorder, hunger and filthinessdo happen on their own.

Yes, religions have excuses as to why evil exists in the world, but these excuses are to be expected given that religions are in the hawking-of-gods business.

Even if evil can be defined as privation, then why would a god even allow this? What end does privative evil achieve? Could not god achieve this end without privative evil.

Some people have realised that Benatar’s ethical arguments against procreation can also be used to argue that God would not, and should not, create anything. The Argument From Ontological Purity is my favourite bit of anti-theist wisdom. An omnipotent being would not have any reason to create anything, but if they did, it would have to be a clone of themselves, since they are a maximally great being. If they create anything lesser than themselves, they are degrading the state of affairs. Here are some papers you can read.

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Pine Creek Doug argues well that the Christian god would never have created anything, if this world is what resulted. He himself seems to be an antinatalist, even though he has two children. I have been rereading Benatar myself. I think that it was you who introduced me to Omelas. Matti Häyry uses Omelas to argue for Antinatalism.

@Gaedhal:

I liked what you said in your most recent communication. I hope you don’t mind if I quote you:

However, this “provident god” of yours has allowed mass extinction events in the past. Currently, we are in the Anthropocene mass-extinction event. It is delerium to think that a provident god would allow the dinosaurs to be wiped out, and to not consider that same outcome for Homo sapiens.

This is why I actually think that Tom Holland is correct and that a residual Christianity remains the base operating system for white Western Europeans. I also call this “axiological Christianity” a bad thing. Holland, though an atheist, seems to think that residual Christianity is a good thing. However, if Christianity be false, then does it not follow that a moral framework based upon Christian false assumptions must also be false?

“Operating system”, “axiological Christianity”: you have nailed it.

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