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Join Derek Lambert for a live round-table with Dr. Richard Carrier, Dr. Richard C. Miller, and Dr. Aaron Adair as we dig into Carrier’s provocative new book, The Obsolete Paradigm of a Historical Jesus—and why he thinks parts of biblical studies (and even peer review) keep dodging the core arguments.

Carrier surveys a decade of responses to his and Raphael Lataster’s work and finds that many critiques avoid the actual evidence and logic, a pattern he says signals a deeper problem in the field.

A big theme tonight: why historians “must learn math.” Carrier argues that historical conclusions need explicit logic and probability—Bayesian reasoning—rather than gut feel or ad-hoc explanations.

We’ll unpack priors, likelihoods, and how to tell when we’re explaining evidence vs. explaining it away. The new book also hit several hot-button texts where Carrier says traditional readings are too thin to prove historicity:

  • Romans 1:3—ambiguous and compatible with non-historical interpretations, so it can’t carry the case.
  • Galatians 4:4—part of an allegorical argument, not a plain biographical claim.
  • “Brother of the Lord”—in earliest Christianity, all baptized believers saw themselves as Christ’s siblings, which complicates appeals to this phrase as biographical proof.

Plus: Docetism—Carrier’s new book contends the modern category is a misconstruction of scattered ancient ideas and later polemics. We’ll examine what ancient sources actually say. Whether you agree or not, this conversation aims to model rigorous critical debate about evidence, method, and how scholarly paradigms change.

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On so-called “Docetism”:

The evidence is thus more probable on a more direct explanation rooted in real, actual background knowledge: Ignatius, 2 Peter, and 1 John are all responding to a sect of Christians who were claiming Jesus never visited on earth, that the Gospels are mere myths allegorizing something else. And for that “something else” the most credible alternative is the one I and Lataster have argued for: that Jesus began as a revealed being, and his incarnation, death, burial, and resurrection, were believed to have all taken place in another realm of the cosmos, most likely the sky realms of Satan and his celestially fallen and demonic minions, just as Paul appears to say in 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 (see chapter two), and is said in Ephesians 2:2, and thus could only be known to have happened mystically—through inspired readings of secret messages in scripture, and through direct revelations from on high, after the fact, exactly as Paul says (Romans 16:25-26).

This is the only theory that perfectly fits the evidence of Ignatius, 1 Peter, and 1 John without strain. They were not writing against Docetists (modern or ancient). They were writing against mythicists [emphasis added by Ed.]. And these polemical replies are all that survives for us to know them. Later Christians heeded their requests that these people and their doctrines be shunned and not heard; and so they preserved nothing of them, not even in quotation or refutation apart from these few and early denunciations. This is all relatively late (all these authors are early-to-mid-second century), so it cannot argue for these shunned Christians preserving the original faith.

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