I’d like to say something about my friend Benjamin’s flaming response to Sebastian C. regarding the hypothesis that David Irving’s abuse caused his daughter to develop schizophrenia.
With a computer trick, I just checked and confirmed that the region Sebastian was is indeed the same region, Rio Grande do Sul, where a Brazilian troll started insulting us on The West’s Darkest Hour in 2018. If Sebastian is this troll who has been defaming the commenters of this site with accusations of homosexuality on other forums for eight years now (to the point of impersonating me), then Ben’s response is appropriate.
As for Irving, he himself confessed to having a “schizophrenic” daughter, using the term he himself employed in one of his interviews.
Since we here don’t subscribe to the medical model of mental disorders, but rather to the trauma model (see my trilogy of books in Spanish, totalling approximately 1,800 pages), we might assume that Irving mistreated his daughter. Of course, the evidence is merely circumstantial. For example, the last time I visited England, a respected figure in the racialist community told me that, of all the employees Irving had, he didn’t know a single one whom the renowned historian had treated well. If this were true, we can only imagine how Irving and/or his wife would have treated his/their daughter.
And this is the crux of the matter.
Until the age of 50, I focused solely on the trauma model. As we have stated here, my work is related to the fourteen words, insofar as if such notable figures in our cause as William Pierce, David Irving, and Don Black had treated their children well, those children would now be champions of their parents’ cause. Instead, we have Pierce and Black’s children becoming anti-racist as revenge for the mistreatment they suffered at home, and Irving’s daughter losing her mind altogether for the same reasons.
As long-time visitors to this site know, the American I admire most for his intelligence is William Pierce, and it pains and frustrates me greatly that his most important non-fiction book, Who We Are (which we could subtitle The Story of the White Race), hasn’t been published since Pierce’s death in 2002.
Kelvin, William Pierce’s son.
The trauma model of mental disorders is so relevant (Kelvin’s anti-racist rebellion is obviously a product of a troubled soul) that, had Pierce treated him well, the son would have taken up his father’s mantle, and Who We Are would have been a major bestseller in our community a quarter of a century ago. The fact that the exact opposite happened—that the son was seduced by the dark side to the point of “denouncing his racist father” in the Jewish media—proves my point.
That’s why I’m tempted to start posting more in-depth articles about the trauma model than about racial issues, since the relationship between the two isn’t obvious to visitors. For example, Kelvin has confessed that his father used to beat him. It seems obvious to me that if Pierce had truly treated him well, a lie of this magnitude would be inconceivable from a psychological perspective. We are biologically predisposed to attach to and love our parents, and acts of rebellion such as becoming transgender (Don Black’s son), becoming an anti-racist sold out to MSM (Pierce’s son), or even losing one’s sanity (Irving’s daughter) can only occur as a result of a profound betrayal of one’s offspring by the parent during the child’s childhood or adolescence.
Given that Irving’s daughter ultimately committed suicide, had these people not been mistreated they would now be, as I said, champions of our cause.
Finally, I was deeply struck by what Pierce said at the end of Who We Are: that without a specific type of person (what we call here a “priest of the sacred words”), the organisation he wanted to create couldn’t flourish. This is so true that it is reflected in what I just said: the most important book ever written by an American, precisely the one mentioned in this paragraph, hasn’t been properly published.
It is my duty to educate the racialists who visit this site about the trauma model.
15 replies on “Flaming”
Thanks for confirming the potential validity of my livid reply. It occurs to me, just a brief psychological observation – it’s been a while since I replied yesterday, even accounting for time differences. My gut instinct is that, was Sebastian C a real person, they would have responded to me by now to counter the intensity of my accusations, perhaps rather angry himself, as occurred in my legitimate error exchange with Jorge last year, where it turned out I was in the wrong. As with my ‘how can a nigger evaluate beauty!’ remark to the other sock puppet a few weeks ago, I just can’t see how real actors would not immediate rise to the challenge over such an insult, considering the general visitor calibre we are dealing with. That there has instead been curious ‘radio silence’ over the matter leads me to assume that Morales is simply tongue-tied, or in a now awkward position, having failed to convince again – something he is very adept at these days.
Of course, I still may be wrong, and in which I apologise to Seb hypothetically and hope he can understand my evidence-based reasoning and not take umbrage: people fight physical over insults of such nature in real life; I would.
Generally, no matter whether it is Morales or not, there is no need, as I have iterated a few times now, to act as amateur damage control for David, considering both him and his daughter are – or were – Aryans, and thus similarly valuable for the sake of racial loyalty: I do not consider the parent to be automatically in the right in any scenario at the expense of their offspring… and I would look to be presented with the evidence both of these ‘innuendoes’ and ‘whispers’ themselves, and then further evidence as to why they were ‘obviously’ debunked, given that the statement I made on Josephine’s schizophrenia diagnosis has been announced in recorded public footage by Irving himself. It feels like the lady doth protest too much, and I do not like the ignorance and/or ulterior motives of spin-doctors.
Somehow, if suddenly out of the blue I hear an equally livid response now from ‘Seb’ though, I will be more suspicious, given that I have just typed this. I cannot find any sincerity on that man’s response pattern, and am doubtful if there is any true passion or weighting behind any of his words, on any topic, as might suit the sinister vacuous mind of an inventive Dark Triad pathological liar.
I can buy that trauma inflicted by parents can contribute to some mental disorders. I don’t believe this is true with schizophrenia, which is a much more severe condition than say depression etc. As I understand it, most schizophrenics begin to show signs of the disease in later adolescence, and the condition gradually worsens with time. Medication, albeit with serious side effects, can help schizophrenics, but I’m not aware of too many that lead normal lives. To blame David Irving’s daughter’s schizophrenia on the fact that he may have treated her badly doesn’t hold much water with me. That being said, I attended several of Irving’s lectures when he was still doing them, and he could be somewhat brusque at times.
Hi Justin,
My complete trilogy hasn’t been translated, but have you read my book Day of Wrath? In the middle section of that book, it’s made clear that schizophrenia is 100% caused by extreme parental abuse (psychoses in general are caused by extreme parental abuse; neuroses only by ordinary abuse in common families).
Your opinion on schizophrenia only reflects psychiatric propaganda (like those who repeat that all races have the same innate IQ because of propaganda).
I really suggest you read pages 21-192 of my book.
Thanks for your response Justin. Just to throw in my two cents, I have some personal experience in this matter as I myself am diagnosed with Schizoaffective Disorder – to temporarily submit to psychiatric slang – itself a lesser ‘form of schizophrenia, and in the same DSM category.
I could recommend to read my own autobiographical book also, Consumption which might be a surprise to you. I have experienced years of psychotic symptoms, at times both on and off meds, beginning in my mid to late 20s, after an escalating drip feed of weekly traumas at home stretching back to before my adolescence. I think it is simply that the sufferers are usually only caught in the psychiatric net as teenagers, as children at home have no voice, and the problems can have lasted unrecognised for much longer in some cases.
The psychotropic drug ‘medications’ Big Pharma offer in cahoots with psychiatry as a sole treatment method for schizophrenia rely on the fallacious bio-medical hypothesis being true to be said to work effectively, and in reality work – if they do so at all, and with crippling side effects the while – in an entirely different way to that by which they are promoted, instead simply dulling the mind with a tranquillizing effect, indiscriminately, removing the volition needed to be trouble by painful memories, as much as obliterating the personality altogether in the process. I’m glad you recognise the serious – terminally so if taken for long enough – side effects.
Better surely by far to listen to the victims and their home life testaments – if they have not been obliged by an uncaring world to repress them; always a tragic occurrence – and not dismiss them offhand, rather than drugging them and washing our hands, more interested, weirdly in preserving the reputation of a lucrative, outdated and unfalsifiable scientific model, wrong from the start, than in genuinely preserving Aryan lives.
The way to truly heal from psychosis is a therapeutic one, it being a extreme psychological learned reaction after all, and the best therapy is to have an unjudgmental witness, to listen to one’s account of what can regularly be horrible personal hells. It’s my belief that if these drugs are to be given at all, then it should be for no more than 2-weeks, enough time to calm any acute episode, and certainly not extended beyond that. Ultimately, it is a kind listener who can talk someone out of it though, given time, and not the application of erroneous hit-and-miss neurotoxins, no different really to a placebo evidentially, as there is, on the whole, nothing wrong with the dopamine levels of ‘schizophrenics’.
I think the first key step in to read César’s recommendation. Then to read Jay Joseph and Eliot Valenstein, then perhaps Alice Miller. It’s not a big step from acknowledging John Read’s et al. extensive research that child abuse is heavily responsible for all psychotic symptoms, to making the final step to realising that this abuse is predominantly parental.
I can recommend one easy book to you in the meantime, as a beginner’s offering: Rethinking Madness by Paris Williams, although A Prescription for Psychiatry by Peter Kinderman also springs to mind, as does Read’s Madness and Genetic Determinism.
I hope this provides a start.
Justin,
If you don’t have time to read the whole Day of Wrath (DoW), which is currently only available in PDF, or the literature recommended by Benjamin, at least read the chapter in DoW that distinguishes between common child abuse and extreme abuse.
Brief correction: Madness and Genetic Determinism is by Patrick D. Hahn. I forgot when listing off the cuff, as he simply references a lot of John Read’s work. I’m utilizing that book currently for a chapter of The Less Than Jolly Heretic that I’m reviewing.
In actuality, I’m reviewing the whole thing currently – as best I can given the impact of the ‘meds’ on me – ready for a definitive release fourth edition. I felt it prudent to get the book out as quickly as possible over the next month or so before these horrible drugs utterly blow out my cognition. I’ll keep the site updated if anyone’s interested. The previous edition was okay in my eyes, but not great, so I’m having another go.
As it stands, Read’s research is okay on the child abuse=psychosis link, but doesn’t go the whole hog into primarily blaming parents (although Hahn himself briefly hints at it in one segment, commendably – ‘commendably’ for any of these latter-day coward academics).
Read contacted me in 2007. I suppose he found me through my now-defunct anti-psychiatry website because he wanted me to promote the English-Spanish translation of the book he edited, Models of Madness.
I thought that anthology was cowardly, as you say. The “anti-psychiatrists” of yore—academic psychiatrists who awoke to the fraud of the medical model of mental disorders (e.g., Lidz, Laing & Arieti)—openly blamed the schizogenic parents just as the eugenicists of yesteryear took Nordicism for granted, even in America (Madison Grant, etc.).
Now, these cowardly critics of psychiatry can’t call a spade a spade, just as cowardly white nationalists refuse to distinguish between a Sicilian or a Portuguese—both mudbloods—and a Scandinavian.
I call all these cowards who fail to speak like real men “heterosexual fags”.
I’ll take a look at it. I wasn’t trying to be rude or anything like that.
No problem! I, too, before I started researching biopsychiatry, sometimes believed the propaganda.
I agree with you. Parents’ abuse can be deeply traumatizing.
Another example I can think of is Ardnold Schwarzenegger and his father, who was a veteran from the eastern front. He describes him as severely abusive and also claimed to have beaten him during his childhood.
I have always thought that Schwardzenegger’s claims are false and he only did it to boost his career by defaming his “nazi” father.
But as you mentioned here, people won’t say such things in public if their parents actually treated them well. So there must be truth about the abuse they experienced.
Overall, children who are abused by their parents often just want to make as much distance from them as soon as they can, and will make alligiances with anybody, even if that means self destruction in the long term.
Yes, children end up hating themselves out of hating their own parents in the long term. That’s the end result, and Christianity loves that narrative because then those children are in need for “eternal salvation”.
Thanks for commenting Jamie. I like you final observation on the manipulative cynicism of Christianity very much.
Personally, I have almost tried to over the years, but I find I can’t hate my Dad… I wonder if it’s biologically impossible for me to (plus I’d feel very guilty), as by Colin Ross’ ‘attachment to the perpetrator’ idea. Don’t get me wrong, I get very angry at him, having been hurt quite consistently for a long time (it’s eased off these days… but one’s left with the inability to trust that he won’t do it again). I know exactly what you mean though, and do have a firm approximation of hatred, flitting back and forth between just wishing he could be more loving at the time, and feeling sad over it all; impossibly sad. I certainly don’t forgive him, hence why I’m pretty open in public about it all… but really, I love him, and just wish forever it could have been reciprocated consistently.
I think you’re right on the ‘escape as soon as possible’ point also. After my teen unit I tried to do that, even if it left me quasi-homeless for extended stretches, in the company of degenerates and drug addicts. I found an odd solidarity with them.
I agree with what you’re saying.
Although my now deceased father (Mr Hyde) destroyed my life, I still love my dad (Dr Jekyll), and it’s impossible to stop loving him.
In fact, if I live near my childhood home, before he transformed into Hyde, it’s precisely to remember how much Jekyll loved me…
In a professional autobiographer, this huge ambivalence can be internally grasped after decades of introspection and retrospection. In a beardless teenager, on the other hand, it divides his mind: it schizophrenises him.
Of course Benjamin.
I think there is inherent good in people’s heart, and hating your parents is unhealthy, unatural. Something really sick and cathastropic must happen for your own sense of self preservation to react and override this. Sometimes it is really necessary.
I am sure that Kelvin Pierce and Schwardzenegger deep down still love their parents, and would have been disgusted at the thought of allying with their ideological enemies under different circumstances.
These are not normal or healthy times.
I’m not schizophrenic in that I don’t hear voices. I do have a fair amount of neurosis in that I am a negative thinker. I’m consider myself disabled by my father’s regular behaviors of ranting and raving as well as criticizing my mother and fellow employees at his workplace.
never developed social skills and that lack has hampered me throughout life. I have no friends in the small town that I have lived in for five years.
What turns me away from psychology counseling and psychiatric drug treatment is that both have not provided change for the better nor a pathway to developing social skills.
I have lately discovered Neville Goddard and several books by Rita Faith detailing his teachings and her experiences. These give me some real hope that changing my old thinking and replacing it with new thinking is possible.
“Prayer is defined by Neville Goddard as the art of using the imagination to assume the feeling of the wish fulfilled. He teaches that prayer is not a religious ritual or a request to an external deity, but a psychological act where one moves from a problem state to its solution within the mind.”
It’s good to see you commenting here again, highrpm.